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paul68 · Shaved Ape

I don't think Mccain is insane. My friends dad said it sure, and I called him nuts, but not insane. I do think he is so caught up in partisan politics, and the inherent corruption, that there is no way he has any chance of improving anything, and in fact I think his ideas spell even worse times ahead. At a time, when we just can't afford it. Despite it being very clear, that what is currently being done is not working, he wants to continue it. Despite so much of the country disagreeing with Bush's economic policy, "diplomatic" failures, military screwups, he wants to continue it. That alone tells me Mccain has no interest in representing the country, and is after promoting his own agenda regardless of whats actually happening.

Obama has more than enough credentials to get him into the whitehouse.

Bush had a long list of business, political, economic, and enviromantal, failures on his resume', yet he was deemed qualified? Look what he did to Texas, and he was a good choice? Then look what happend when he made it to the white house, more of the same exact failure, only on a much grander scale. He left Texas with ne mess after another, and he's doing the same with the presidency.

Mccain has a history of brainless voting. He has a history of backpedaling, changing to suit party lines, and an open admittal of little economic understanding which his record of voting shows. He also shows a marked lack of concern for his constituents. I don't find that comforting.

Obamas record is not as exspansive as some only because of his youth. That in no way takes away from his accomplishments, nor does it diminish the character behind much of that work. His record shows exactly what he says. Change, concern for people, bipartisan cooperation, transparency and accountability in government. And for the time he has put in, he's been quite busy building his own record.

Even with his Wright baggage, I still consider him a much better option than Mccain and 4 more years of what we've had for the last 8.

Despite all this, none of this has anything to do with the subject.

Hagee is a hateful bigoted asshole, spreading his nastiness under the giuse of religion, and Mccain embraces him, yet recieves nowhere near the condemnation or scrutiny Obama got, and Obama didnt even seek to make use of his affiliation with Wright.

asmodee

Not that this is on topic or anything, but I like Obama because he talks like a human being. In his many debates with Clinton which ended up being embarrassments for here she usually stuck her foot in her mouth more when she was trying real hard to talk like a politician. When Obama would respond without the regular rhetoric and, instead, spoke the same English the rest of us use without any word play or sidestepping, that's when I started to like him.

I come from a poor community of Average Joe Punchclocks. Every since I can remember, whenever someone claimed a candidate didn't have the experience necessary to lead this country, someone in the room would respond, "That just means he's not experienced at ripping us off." Like it or not, that is exactly the truth. The more experienced the politician the less he works for the people. Right now our nation is by the government officials, by the government officials and for the government officials. If you doubt that in any way, just look at our laws and the legal issues that have gone on over the last decades.

Reagan sold arms to the Iranians. Ollie took the fall for him and got off without punishment. Did you know that in Iowa, if you have jury duty you get paid $5 per day...unless you are a state employee, in which case you get paid your regular wages. The Vatican recently asked Bush to make the current pope immune from prosecution for covering up sexual abuse by priests. Of course, he did. Once the identity of a senator is made known, he or she cannot be detained by police for any reason. If a foreign diplomat commits a crime, he can claim diplomatic immunity and cannot be punished or detained. There are literally THOUSANDS of loopholes whose sole purpose is to protect ONLY those in power. It allows them to get paid for making votes go certain ways, it allows them to get rich off campaign contributions and it allows them to use their power to increase their own wealth, all perfectly legally. The greener the politician, the more of an idealist he or she is. I once worked with a state representative at his second job (by the way, he got paid more for being a state representative for 3 or 4 months than I made in a year at the time). When he first got in office he was fighting for term limits. He wanted to make sure that people would be out of office before they got too corrupted. By the time I started working there he was very comfortably in his 3rd or 4th term and no longer had any interest in term limits. He was proud to tell the story of how he and one other man killed a bill by themselves by tacking on a solid gold statue of the governor on a day when few people were there to stop it. You know what? I'm ready for someone a little green. I'm tired of the same old mummies raking in the cash on the sweat of my brow. You ever try to teach your parents to run their VCR or explain how to download music? What the hell does a 70 year old man know about how the world works today anyway? And what is Obama's biggest attraction? He is not related to, associated with or endorsed by the current fuehrer. I don't care if the Church of Satan likes him, that's good enough for me.

TheMadHobbit · Subway Tolkien

Looks like Hagee is an asshole too...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/21/mccain-backer-hagee-said_n_102892.html

Cat Nip

I dare say, anyone who votes is rolling the dice.

asmodee

Cat, close, but I'd relate it more to Russian roulette.

Yaish · Intel Chief

McCain rejects Hagee

TheMadHobbit · Subway Tolkien

Not to forget that Obama didn't even campaign in Florida knowing that their vote wouldn't count, but she did. So of COURSE she wants those votes counted, she practically ran unopposed!

Yaish · Intel Chief

I had to edit the link, it changed content over the day.

The original story was about McCain rejecting Hagee's support, something quite different than the Obama/Wright situation.

asmodee

Hobbs, what do you mean he didn't campaign in Florida? How the hell do you hit 57 states and miss Florida?

paul68 · Shaved Ape

"I have denounced statements he made immediately upon learning of them, as I do again today," McCain said." Sen Mccain

This is an outright blatant lie. Mccain has been hit with this by reporters repeatedly for weeks now, since it first surfaced. And he rebuked them, and said he was very happy to recieve Hagee's support and endorsement. He was told, several times about several of Hagees comments, on video by reporters, and he continued to defend his acceptance of Hagee.

After the story kept cropping up and his famous temper began to show in his uptight responses to reporters who kept drilling him over the course of weeks, he then said he denounces anything offensive Hagee may have said, then said Hagee claims he was taken our of context, to give him a chance?

What makes it harder to believe Mccain, is that during the 2000 election, he criticised George Bush for seeking support from anti catholic fundamentalist leaders calling them "agents of intolerance", and that he would openly condemn them for his part. Then this in 2008?

No biggy. I had no doubt he would eventually change his position once it became clear the story was going to continue to grow. His own advisors have been telling him this could cost him the election, so it appears he finally believes em.

I just want to repeat, Mccain actively sought this guys endorsement, and that this guys entire reputation is for just this kind of garbage that he peddles. At the least, it speaks of very poor judgement on Mccains part, which isnt exactly a great thing to have on a resume when your seeking a job like the presidency.

Bout time Mccain.