Skeptomania - Paranormal / UFOs, etc.

paul68 · Shaved Ape

It's really bad, when you see these headlines, and think, "Pffft".

carol nistri

ufos from the United States,UFo reports from Canada,from Japan,from Mexico ,from France,from Russia and every other country we can name,yet we still question as to if they exist or not,this country is going to get what it deserves a big F for readiness.

paul68 · Shaved Ape

Readiness for what Carol?

60+ years of this nonsense, and ......wait for it..........nothing.

So, did these new files explain anything? Learn anything new? Anything different?

Nope, not a thing.

Ufo's exist.

They are hoaxes, misidentifications, fantasies, Lies, and perceptual mistakes and the like, all amalgamated into little green men from outerspace by the media and blind believers. It's the ONLY thing the evidence DOES prove.

Believe whatever you want Carol. But I gaurantee 99.9999 percent, that never in the next 100-200-300 etc years will a single shred of irrefutable proof that aliens are visiting earth, interdimensional craft are visiting, parnormal phenomena are manifesting will arise. Because they simply aren't.

asmodee

Hi Carol. It's been a while. Nobody is disputing that UFOs exist. Everyone on this board believes in UNIDENTIFIED Flying Objects. Gren was nearly killed by one a couple of months ago. What we reject is the unfounded identifications assigned to these objects. If it is flying through the air and you can't readily identify it, all of these things are considered UFOs: baseball, bird, helicopter, airplane, cloud, baby gazelle, meteor, frisbee, beach ball, adult gazelle and flying squirrel. If you know what it is, it is no longer a UFO. We believe in UFOs. Lord knows I've launched my fair share of baby gazelles over populated areas. What we don't believe is that you are qualified to identify these objects definitively by drawing solely on your personal beliefs, having no evidence whatsoever to support your conclusion. I hope that will clear this issue up for you. It won't, but I hope it will.

Que the return of Gren.

Raven · Google Meister

We've define "UFO" for Coral so many times over the years, i'm sure if that she had even the slightest desire to get it at all, then she would have along time ago. fact being, she doesn't, and so it really doesn't matter... just nod and smile, pat her on the head, and send her on her way again...

murphy · Horse Nazi

asmodee, I just want to say that I like you.

paul68 · Shaved Ape

Karma for Asmo, just cause Murph likes ya wink

murphy · Horse Nazi

I like you also Paul.

asmodee

Why thanks, Murph, and, of course, Paul.

This has been bugging me since I last posted on this subject. Why, exactly, are we not ready for when "they" attack? We have attack choppers, attack jets, tanks, assault vehicles, air craft carriers, destroyers, ICBMs, SAMs, AA guns, a crapload of well trained ground troops with smaller weapons and a satellite network to coordinate it all WITH a backup ground based network. You either believe, A) these things will help against "them", which means we're ready or B) these things will NOT help against "them" in which case, pointless as it all is, that's all we got so we're as ready as we'll ever be. What is the "ready" people keep talking about for when "they" attack, exactly? Do we need to ramp up production of Ouija boards? Should we have an ample supply of zombie powder in our emergency shelter next to the canned peaches? Should we be making pointy sticks and tinfoil hats galore? Do we need to get right with God, Goddess or gods? Or do we need to build bigger, better bombs capable of destroying nations instead of cities? I mean, come on! At that rate we won't survive our own attack, never mind "theirs".

Don't bother to answer. I do actually know the answer. The answer is that we need to provide funding to everyone who claims that "they" are a threat so they can "study" this threat. We need to fund every "expert" who may be able to prepare us. We need to take from our schools and our poor (because it won't come from the rich; it never comes from the rich) so that Joe Shmoe can quit his job at Taco Bell and "study" this phenomena first hand to determine how we need to prepare. He will be able to go on site and see the "evidence" first hand with the best equipment my money can buy. Fortunately, though, my tax dollars will never be wasted on proper training in the use of that equipment or getting him any degree in any field even remotely related to what he purports to be studying. If all goes well he will some day actually SEE a UFO with his own eyes, capturing it in a grainy, underexposed, wobbly eight second video as proof positive that we are in danger! Of course, how all this helps us be prepared is still a mystery since this person will never invent one new weapon or produce one tiny specimen for us to study. I'm told that Bigfoot has that particular piece of the puzzle, but only the Loch Ness Monster knows where he is. So I'm off to Atlantis to find mermaids and get them to tell me where I can find a unicorn, Nessie's natural prey. I shouldn't be more than a couple of days.

Yaish · Intel Chief

Good point Asmodee. The way I see it, there are one of two scenarios for alien contact.

Either they are going to be like us at first, at the very end of their leash, just barely able to make contact and only on a limited basis. (Think the current Mars missions but on an intergalactic scale). In that there is little to fear as we can probably wipe them out at will.

The second scenario is a robust, advanced civilization which the capability of reaching us with relative ease. This scenario is probably close to Europeans colonizing the new world. It was basically a cake walk for them to land anywhere they wanted and take whatever they desired. The local inhabitants put up a little resistance to the immediate forces on the ground but the outcome was never in question.

Either way we are where we are, and not much is going to change. I just hope all the science fiction writers are correct and we really are the most brutal, violent species in the galaxy, with the most cunning and improvisational skills too. It might be the only way we survive contact.

paul68 · Shaved Ape

LOL. Great stuff. I think Carol means more along the lines of being ready as an evolved species. Hard to tell, because her beliefs change like the wind.

Really, how do you get ready for an unknown guest? We wouldn't know who they are, what they're like, what they want, what they need, nothing.

Imagine being told to get ready for company next week. And thats all your told.

Do you go broke buying the best china, the best food, the best entertainment? Brush up on your social etiquette skills, learn ballroom dancing, learn greetings in several languages? Only to have a hobo arrive?

Or do you simply carry on as always, and when the time comes, you simply be yourself?

The mere fact that a species crosses interstellar distances to reach us tells us a great deal.

One thing it tells us, is that there aint a whole hell of a lot we can do about it. If they can do that, they'll come whether we are "ready" or not.

Another thing it tells us, is that there is little we could do to get "ready". Such an advanced ability means we will be as primitives to them. It'll mean they likely have whatever they need, and that there will be very little we could do that would be of any interest to them. If you can travel the stars, then you've got power, you've got resources, you've got just about anything.

I tend to see us as being an attraction for an interstellar species only for one reason. Because we are here. Thats it. The plain fact that space isn't full of unnatural radio signals, tends to suggest intelligent life is sparse at best among the stars. We could be so different from anything that arrives, that the most that would happen, would be literally a mutual looking over of eachother, then they fly away.

Or they could be after our women. In which case they can have my GF's sister wink

Cat Nip

Lol@Paul

Yeah, well, I'm ready. I bought a new dress and everything.

enigma · Deputy Dawg

I shaved my legs...

asmodee

Ah, Yaish, for some reason a quote from some violent cartoon from my past came to mind when I was reading your post. The Simpsons, I think. It gave me a chuckle. Something about being the most brutal, violent species in the universe.