Skeptomania - Paranormal / UFOs, etc.

paul68 · Shaved Ape

http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/slideshow/photo//080325/photos_lf/2008_03_24t200824_450x344_us_usa_borders_jaguar/

Whats interesting, is that there are supposed to be maybe 200 or so of these critters. They were even considered extinct in the U.S. until 1996. But, unlike things like oh say BF who supposedly lives everywhere from the PN to Fla, they are caught on remote cameras, and now apparently are being seen more and more by people, in remote, rugged areas, where of course, you know, man just doesn't spend much time being in. We can get pics and valid encounters with an ultra rare, secretive, stealthy 200 lb cat, but somehow, an 800-1000 pound hominid scattered all over the northern continents is perfectly elusive.

BTW. Am I the only one thinking those hounds are the luckiest dogs alive? That cat would have turned them into hamburger.

Gren · God Of Oreos

To be honest, all four animals - 3 dogs and a jaguar - seem awfully calm given their proximity. Seems like they'd be in a bloody tangle at that closeness.

GSpoon

pssst. gren, then are four dogs in that pic.

I think it would be a good fight, and I wouldnt count the dogs out by any means

Raven · Google Meister

what you don't see is the one second after this pic was taken...

Gren · God Of Oreos

Ok, now I see the fourth guy, lower left. His coloring is similar to the guy behind him in the picture.

No, what I meant was that if that's a wild jaguar and those are hunting dogs, the dogs ought to be going apeshit, barking, snapping, raising hell, but they seem to be edging forward calmly, trying to determine what exactly they're looking at. By the time four hunting dogs got that close you'd think the jaguar would have already made its fight or flight decision, but it's doing neither, not shooting up the tree trunk, not fighting either. Not to mention at least one human, the photographer, who is also very close. I'm no expert on wild jaguar or hunting dog behaviors, but something just doesn't seem right.

Call me a skeptic, but........ lol.

Raven · Google Meister

yea... my skeptical side was guessing it's a pet that got away hence the tame look of things... but then i kept in mind that it might only look tame because it's a still-shot...

Gren · God Of Oreos

With a still shot, unless the photographer used a very high shutter speed, you'd expect blurring and fuzziness if the dogs were bouncing around and faux charging the big cat. I can't tell if there are dog shit piles on the ground, but there ought to be, lol.

Two of the three dogs on the left appear to be calmly leaning in and sniffing, as if they've still not identified what they're looking at.

Raven · Google Meister

i don't know about sniffing, they look like they're pointing, which most hunting dogs are trained to do... although, i still can't imagine a dog being trained well enough to still be pointing with a wild jag... so, yea... i'm still suspecting pet gotten away...

paul68 · Shaved Ape

“I moved in closer. The cat charged the dogs. They scattered like quail. Then I saw it was a jaguar.”

Mr. Glenn grabbed his camera and started shooting.

The jaguar caught another dog, Copper, bit him on the back and released him. When the hound Rietta moved in, the cat grabbed him with one paw, then another, and delivered two quick bites in the rump.

“The jaguar could have easily killed the dogs,” Mr. Glenn said. “One bite to the head and they’d be gone. But he let them go on purpose.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/10/science/10jaguar.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&fta=y

paul68 · Shaved Ape

Naa, this guy Warner Glenn is legit. Him, along with at least three other guys have been working to track, record, and preserve the jaguars coming up from Mexico into New Mexico and Arizona. They've lots of documentation, and their work's been very influential federally and on the state level. Look him up.